Will Luminar Neo Have Adjustment Layers?

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    Elena O'Brien

    Hi William Hanrahan,

    In the first release, there won't be separate adjustment layers. However, in Luminar Neo, you can use the tools multiple times in any order. That way, you'll be able to create several masks for one tool and accomplish the task you've described. 

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    William Hanrahan

    Thank you Elena, but can you clarify whether there will be adjustment layers (not just image layers) in the full release next month? Obviously, there are no layers of any sort in the pre-release version. The new ability to use tools multiple times and mask them is great, but that complements, not replaces, adjustment layers.

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    Kate Williams

    Hi William, 

    By "the first release," my colleague meant the first official version of the software. 

    I'll share your feedback with the team. 

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    William Hanrahan

    Thank you for clarifying, Kate. Will adjustment layers be added in the next update? To add adjustment layers in Neo, just allow an image layer without an image whose edits are applied to all image layers under it. That is a very minor tweak for the development team, but one necessary to avoid tragically robbing Neo of crucial functionality.

    I thought Neo was going to combine the functionality of AI and 4 plus enhanced AI features. By not allowing adjustment layers, this simply is not true or even close to it. Adjustment layers are needed to apply a group of edits to numerous image layers. Additionally, given that there does not appear to be any masking for development edits, adjustment layers would allow those tools to be masked. Without adjustment layers, Neo is more like the next version of AI, with some cool AI and engine upgrades, but not a serious main editing tool.

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    Kate Williams

    Hi William, 

    Just to be sure you fully understand the workflow in Lumianr Neo, let me please clarify: 

    Adjustment layers are needed to apply a group of edits to numerous image layers.  > You will be able to apply any edits to new image layers as well as create masks for those edits. You will also be able to apply a template with conjunction of edits to the new image layer. 

    Given that there does not appear to be any masking for development edits, adjustment layers would allow those tools to be masked.  > Please note that you can create masks for any instance of the Develop tool but the first one. It used to be the same in Luminar 4 where one had to create an adjustment layer in order to be able to mask the Light tool.

    See the screenshot for Luminar Neo (I applied Optics Correction in the RAW develop the tool and then reopened the Develop tool to mask the exposure on the part of the image):

    There's no need for the adjustment layer in this case. 

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    William Hanrahan

    Kate, that's very helpful information. Thank you for sharing. I'm glad to see masks can be used with develop tools. While the ability to "apply a template with conjunction of edits to the new image layer" is good, it absolutely will not replace adjustment layers, which allow you to apply adjustments over multiple image layers and see the results on the combined image after each edit. The method you described is impracticable, as you would have to copy those edits to each image layer. Then, you would have to repeat that if you make any changes. To simulate adjustment layer functionality, you would have to copy each edit to each image layer as you make the edit if you want to see how the edits affect the combined image as you do them. Why not just allow for an image layer without an image whose edits apply to all layers under it? That is literally all an adjustment layer would be. It makes no sense not to do allow that if you are trying to provide the functionality of Luminar 4. You cannot meet the expectations you set without adjustment layers.

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    Ivan Azure

    Hi William,

    We will pass your comments to the responsible department for consideration. Please stay tuned.

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    William Hanrahan

    Thank you, Ivan. I greatly appreciate you considering my thoughts and sharing them with the development team. The product looks great and I love the organization of the edits and masks. Combining that with the flexibility of adjustment layers would provide the best of both worlds and create a superior and more intuitive user experience than Lightroom and Photoshop IMO (well, except for the lack of a navigator, but one thing at a time). 

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    Philippe CARON

    Interesting conversation !

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    Jan Flauring

    Hi. Speaking of layers, how about a function for copying an existing layer and paste as a new layer? Also a way of removing a layer completely, not just setting opacity to zero.

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    Tania Taylor

    Hi Jan Flauring!

    I will pass your feedback to our tech team.

    As for deleting layers, you can already remove a layer by right-clicking on it and choosing Remove Layer:

     

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    Jan Flauring

    Hi again. Thank you, but is this right-clicking a Windows only thing? On my Mac I am not able to bring up any menu by clicking on a layer, not in combination with any key press either.

     

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    Jan Flauring

    One more thing. The "Actions -> Revert to original" is quite destructive. You lose all your edits and there is no way of bringing them back. This function should have something similar to an OK/Cancel option for situations where you accidentally click this link. 

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    Ivan Azure

    Hi Jan!

    Click on Finder > Go > Go to Folder and search the following: /Users/YOUR_USER_NAME/Library/Group Containers/RTW788AXG3.com.skylum.luminarneo
    Then, select Textures > Custom and delete the elements.
    The layers will disappear from the catalog. To remove the layers from the definite image, revert the picture to the original.


    In terms of your second comment - a similar function should appear soon within the following updates. Please follow our news.

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    Jan Flauring

    Hi Ivan. That is fine, a bit cumbersome though. But what about the "Remove layer" functionality? It is simply not available. And reverting to original is really not an option. That would remove all layers, not a specific one, and all other edits as well, those that are not done by means of layers.

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    Mark Barnes

    I've reached out regarding wanting an adjustment layer function as well. From the responses I've seen, my guess is that there are no plans to include it in future updates. Disappointing.

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    Phillip Lister

    I have to say the lack of proper adjustment makes Neo a disappointment. It has less functionality than Luminar 4 did. Layers in Neos case are another name for presets. Advanced Amateurs and Professionals very rarely use presets. Should be called Luminar AI v2. A better option would be Affinity Photo, proper layers, a valid competitor to Photoshop and cheaper and more functional than. Luminar Neo. Big fizzer Skylum.

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    Mark Barnes

    For now I'm going to stay with NEO in the hopes that future updates bring more of the features I'm looking for, and soon. If not I"ll go back to ON1 Photo RAW that has a good Layers function in addition to the editing tools that can be stacked as well. Hopefully NEO will catch up.

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    Tristan McGuire

    7 months later, any news on adjustment layers?  Using tools multiple times in any order is not a replacement for adjustment layers.  They exist in Aurora HDR, and apparently used to exist in Luminar (pre Neo).  I have yet to see a valid justification for this commonly used and basically critical feature not to be implemented, especially when it does and has existed in other products you yourselves make. 

    Not having adjustment layers means I can't save sets of adjustments and then apply them as layers to different images to build up the right combination of adjustments for a specific photo.  Instead I can save sets of adjustments all together to apply as a preset - but while I may have pictures from a single shooting session that are similar enough to use a 'preset', it rarely gets  used again for further groups of photographs.  The result being that I more or less have to treat every single photograph as totally unique which slows workflow considerably.

    For example - in Aurora HDR I have 'looks' saved that have to do with specific stages of the editing process.  I might have a set of lighting adjustments (exposure, contrast, etc) that softens the shadows of any picture but changes nothing else.  I might also have another 'look' saved that does some colour grading.  I can apply both looks or different combinations of looks to achieve a certain amount of the basic editing quickly.  Then I can use an adjustment layer to just do the specific 'tuning' of the specific image.  Workflow is very quick.  But most of the time I'm not doing HDR processing, so this functionality is lost to me in Luminar Neo.

    To be clear - I love Skylum software.  I was looking for a good alternative to Adobe's BS software as a service approach to these types of tools (I wouldn't subscribe to the hardware shop to be able to use my hammer every month) and I think I found it here.  Additionally, it appears that you guys are working toward uniting features from different parts of your software offerings under the Luminar Neo umbrella (see the recent addition of HDR, though still less functional than Aurora).  However, I would guess that if you were looking for a feature that has the greater demand for Luminar Neo, adjustment layers would come out ahead of HDR processing and most other things.

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    Ivan Azure

    Hi Tristan,

    Thank you for the detailed feedback provided. Your interest in our software is highly appreciated.

    Our specialists are aware of the indicated feature relevance. The team will report to the competent groups anew about the intensity of the demand. However, due to the conjuncture in Ukraine, there is no information concerning the exact timeframes. 

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    Tristan McGuire

    I understand, of course.  Thank you for your response.  My comment got a little out of hand but initially I just meant to ask if there were any updates in a vague sort of way, not a specific timeline. 

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