New Luminar with Libraries, No Paid Upgrades, and MORE!

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    Roman Augustyn

    @K.G.

    Well, I'm not aware of any strict rule that the image's previews have to be equal size, who cares? as long as the previews provide us with the functionality we need.

    And you actually don't know, maybe the system will give you an option to make the previews equal or variable size so calling it "idiotic" is a bit presumptuous on your part. Lets be positive and first see what features are coming and then we constructively comment on them.... just a thought.

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    Tom Pickering

    Angela -

    No migration tool from Lightroom!  Are you serious?  What's the point, then?

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    Sascha Picchiantano

    I am not sure whether I should laugh or cry about this... but this last comment of Nastia confirms the worst concerns that many are having about the DAM. If one of THE most basic and THE most important feature of a DAM - namely keywords - isn't included in this initial release, people better get used to the fact that this piece of software will be nothing more than a glorified, overpriced picture browser that won't even be close to being a DAM for years to come. Mark my words.

     

     

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    Yves Smolders

    "We have initially planned to release those features in Luminar 2019, as a paid upgrade, just like we usually do. However, this week, we made a decision to forgo any paid upgrades at least until the end of 2019, and add those features to Luminar 2018 for free.

    Luminar will be getting faster, more powerful, and smarter, but you won't have to pay a dime to get new upgrades."

     

    • So fast forward to ***JULY 2019*** - Luminar 4!  Just $49 instead of $89?  Free upgrades until 2019?  Not a dime?  What's happening?
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    Nancy Goodenough

    I am delighted you are doing things to bring those who left Luminar in frustration back to the fold. I am Mac, so have been happy with each upgrade and use Luminar and Aurora regularly. Looking forward to your DAM/Libraries. I know it's too early to tell me, yet I want to know if I can import images from a card and choose to have them DEFAULT to folders (or whatever you call them) BY DATE, and the ability to rename that folder so I can add location(s) to the dated folder name. Like LR. I have half a million images in LR, so need to keep certain conventions. Thanks for listening. And thanks for bringing this out soon. Nancy

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    Colin Grant

    The DAM in LR is not called library the library is but one element of LR. The same goes for CaptureOne et al. What people are asking is will the functionality of the Skylum version be anywhere near that of LR, as was promised at the outset. The answer to that is probably no because every time a question is asked, like mine re EXIF editing, they say they cannot answer that question at present.

    And of course you overlook the fact that Skylum called the thing a DAM in the first place and have retreated to Library recently. That suggests an attempt to water-down expectations. I suspect all this speak about speed is also just a smoke screen - how fast do you really need to go!

    So indeed yes - where is the LR equivalent that was promised.

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    Colin Grant

    If the above is reference to key wording, Nastia, then it conflicts with Denis Kotsee (see above) who says keywording will be there. How can you expect people to pre order when there appears to be great difficulty in identifying exactly what the specs are,

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    Anastasia Davis

    @Colin @Manfred We are the part of Skylum and do have all the info from devs. We are aware of everything that is happening in the company, thus can provide you with a relevant info. This way, I can confirm that the release date is December 18.

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    Sascha Picchiantano

    Wow. Seriously, Skylum? You think you got us silenced and can now break your promises?

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    Christoph Haug

    As many others have noted, the UI is a huge disappointment (based on the speed text video) and the delay isn't great either, but I have to say that the decision regarding the free upgrades is fair. I interpret it as a sign that management is aware of the huge discontent that has been building up and that has been further fuelled by the disappointing UI video a few days ago. 

    But if you want to make Luminar the success that you've been suggesting it will be, I think you still need to get much better in listening to and interacting with the community, especially when it comes to crucial decisions such as UI design. These can no longer be made by designers behind closed doors. See https://ideamotive.co/blog/design-thinking-in-software-development/ 

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    Tom Murray

    Looks a bit different here with al the photos the same dimensions.

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    Brian Ramage

    I guess the reason for not having a migration for other DAMs is you want to encourage people to use the new DAM like a soft launch. Enter a few photos at a time and heck out the new DAM.

    If you encourage a mass migration you’d undoubtedly have many issues and complaining customers who wonder WHY the image from Lightroom doesn’t have the exact tags or post processing like in their former DAM.

    Waiting a few weeks (probably months seeing how Skylum works) then releasing migration tools allows other DAM bugs to be worked out.

    Also, would you really want to quickly dump your photos into a brand new DAM? Either you duplicate and try or have issues with conflict.

    I know when I jumped to Aperture I did not pull all iPhoto photos into it. Instead I started fresh and check how things go.

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    Fernando Ariznavarreta

    We will have to wait and see what luminar libraries provides.

    But I am not liking the news about it, it seems it is going to be just a browser.

     

    They did not only promised that it would have a way to import photos from Lightroom

    They promised they were able to read the Lightroom catalog, that is quite more advance than just importing photos.

    Now it is not clear if there is going to be some kind of catalog.

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    Jennifer Wolf

    For all the complainers that are freaking out about "libraries" and "where is our DAM you promised".....

    What is the DAM called in Lightroom...Libraries.

    What is it called in Aperture...Libraries.

    What is it called in Capture One...Libraries.

    What is it called in On1 .... Browse.  (There's one in every crowd, right?)

    The point is no one calls it a DAM.  It is implied.

    They have only released a couple screen shots and short videos, how are people reaching all these conclusions on what it can and can't do from those?

    As for transferring photos from LR after the mess that Adobe made of their migration tool from Aperture to LR and then LR deciding after a couple years that my hard drive has a different name than it actually does, I have to start from scratch anyway.  

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    Tony Collins

    The library module in lighroom *is* where you manage your digital assets. And there was NO promise about what the functionality of the DAM would be - certainly not that it would be the same as LR. There was no LR equivalent promised. What was offered was an alternative.

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    Tomasz Kowalka

    I bought the program, but without color management it is useless. The cms implementation should be a priority for the pc version. Photos after opening are oversaturated. You can not work professionally without the correct display of colors

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    Angela Andrieux

    It looks like a bit of clarification is in order here:

    Keywords will be included in the Luminar Library in future updates.

    Sorry for the confusion!

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    Colin Grant

    Yet you feel it is appropriate to offer the product for sale in advance? ON1 are doing that but have announced the specs. I ask, have Skylum learned anything?

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    Sascha Picchiantano

    @Francis,

    with all due respect and with as much passion I am bashing Skylum all the time myself, but bringing in a piece of software that has been dead for almost 5 years now and expecting a new software to have an importer for this just isn't fair at all. If you are still trapped in the Aperture ecosystem that is your fault, and your fault alone. You had enough time and opportunity to get out. You can't expect other software companies to provide a solution for a piece of software that was shut down 5 years ago. It would be a total waste of money and resources. 

    Am I happy that Luminar doesn't have any catalog importers at all? No. But expecting one for Aperture is ridiculous. 

     

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    Mark Hoffman

    Lots of hype. But Luminar 3 will not even allow me to change the default catalog location when I try and install it. So really, nothing has changed at Luminar. Substandard software. Poorly tested. Not supported. Pathetic.

    Mark

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    Colin Grant

    Yves, that's is what I remember as well. It is probably time to start challenging the legality of this crowd's operating model. Clearly we have been mislead and it is not the fist time. The CEO is not reliable and to be honest Skylum is but a two bit company trying to make money any way it can. Of course the offer might be to potential new users with L3 owners getting the update free (as we are still in 2019), but I doubt it.

    Me thinks they have a huge cash flow problem due to their poor performance and lack of loyalty to customers.

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    Sascha Picchiantano

    Angela, the point is, we were promised free upgrades throughout 2019. Now you just slap a new major version number in front of that update and think that way you can just bypass your promises? Just how stupid do you think your customers are?

    Ridiculous.

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    John Robinson

    Will the fully functioning DAM promised last year be included in Luminar 3 or Luminar 4? Or neither. It would be useful to know whether the DAM is now dead, or in palliative care, given that Skylum has spent a lot of time recently making Luminar products fit with Lightroom.

    I like Luminar products. But I'm not sure I want to pay out more money when Skylum has not delivered on its 2018 promises.

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    Sascha Picchiantano

    Angela, don't start the semantics game with us. We really are NOT as stupid as you think we are. You promised ALL upgrades in 2019 to be free. You can slap a new version number on it all the way you want, that doesn't change anything. You better get this escalated to your management ASAP. Because I will make sure all hell will break loose if you pull through with this scam. The social media backlash will not be healthy for you guys. 

    And by the way... one major new feature usually does not warrant a major version change. You really need to try harder if you want to fool your customers. 

     

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    Sascha Picchiantano

    They are just going to sit this out, while censoring forum posts of those who protest. The Verge will have a nice article up on this scam soon, keep your eyes peeled. 

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    Denis Kotsee

    We will be posting more details, news, and updates in the new section on our website mentioned in the post. Email us at support@skylum.com and we'll add your email to the list of candidates for the beta.

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    John Tweddell

    That’s good news. It has been frustrating, but giving us a year without a paid upgrade is great for people like me on a limited budget ( 50 plus years as a professional photographer, but now 76, retired on a small pension, but still devoted to photography) I started with a 5by4 “speed graphic” hand held camera, through to early digital adopter. I still use Apple Aperture but desperate to change to your new DAM. If you are looking for more beta testers, I am in!

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    Colin Grant

    That is excellent news. I just cannot believe you did not take this more open approach ages ago. I took a refund on Luminar because you did not deliver. This is far more promising and I am temped to come back into the fold. It is not an easy decision as there have new many broken promises in the past. I have always believed the software had promise, it was the other things that got me.....and many, many others.

    Could you answer one question on functionality - will it provide full exif/IPTC editing, including tagging and location mapping? If so I'm probably back in.

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    Brian Ramage

    another Aperture user! ...hooray

     

    as for the "standard sizing" I guess that comes from years ago with negatives and contact sheets. as someone looking over a series of similar shots, a quick scan of ALL the same size makes no image stand out purely on size relative to others (possibly showing more light even if the exact same exposure/lighting but a larger image shows more light coming through)

     

    I could see AI being used as you are editing a set of photos and it picks up on how you are editing a scene/photoshoot and adjusts the rest to a similar style. I know not every adjustment would follow through but perhaps the White Balance Temp would adjust on the fly, or exposure as it sees you are post processing a few at a similar style. (sure you could Copy & Paste but maybe you didn't). BUT just saying "AI Filter" really doesn't explain much. I know in the beginning I would use presets and then "decode" what they were doing and how/why the photo adjusted with each setting.

     

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    Colin Grant

    Not a lot has changed then has it! You are sharing nothing but trying it seems to generate revenue by offering a reduced price.......but for what. Seems no more than a glorified image browser. Sorry if I sound suspicious but there is not a lot there to give one faith in Skylum, especially given your track history. Where is the road map or what hope is there when at this late stage you cannot answer a question on basic functionality such as EXIF? 

     

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