Please add color management (after 1.2)

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    Patrick Griffin

    I've recently bought luminar  on special offer and have just started to explore it.  It certainly has some amazing filters and effects but unfortunately is without doubt not a software than can be used professionally without being colour managed.  This I think should be your priority for the programme if it's intended to be used seriously

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    Fernando Ariznavarreta

    Angela: I am not talking about CAMERA ICC profiles and raw files.

    That would be of help if you want to get colors that remain as close as possible to reality. That is not my issue (it would be great to have them, though).

     

    I am talking about taking into account the color space of the file and the ICC color Profile associated with the display (which I have calibrated with i1 display Pro).

    A TIFF file with a ProPhoto color space has completly different colors when you see it under Luminar than in any other color aware program.

    I have tried AdobeRGB and sRGB with similar results.

    @Patrick:
    Windows HAS color management and ICC profiles associated with the monitor.

    The difference is that it does not impose all programs to make color managment, but programs that are color aware display de same image with the same colors (I have tested several, PS,LR, other editors and web browsers).

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    Rico Körner

    I can not believe, that you work on some tools and therefore let the whole software unusable! Because all colors in Luminar are wrong u d in my case ugly. I would happily spend my money for your software, but I can't. I will not buy unusable software, sorry.

    You claim professional editing? Not at all. Even a browser shows pictures in the right color, but not your software!

    You should add a line in the comparison table:

    Color management: LR yes / Luminar no

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    Noy Calderon

    I've just purchased this software a couple days ago after using the trial version. During the trial, I didn't do a color comparison between PS and Luminar. I wouldn't purchase this software if I have known this issue early on. I agree with @K.G. & @Rico color management should be on top of your list as an image editing software. We're all hoping that this fix will be on the next update. 

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    Johannes Wienke

    At least I can tell that nothing has changed with the update regarding the correct use of the display color profile. With a wide gamut screen, missing color management regarding the display becomes pretty evident.

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    Patrick Lehmann

    Soft proofing with ICC profiles would be nice and a corresponding printer menu ... as in LR.

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    Konstantin Zolo

    Hi Fernando,

    There are some issues with color profiles and our QA team is working around the clock to fix them as soon as possible.

    Thank you for bearing with us.


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    Fernando Ariznavarreta

    Correct color management, correct color space interpretation and monitor profile, is a must in any photo management program that is not a toy and wants to be a profesional and serious photographer tool.

     

    It is confusing that one developer says that they are working hard on it, and another says it is not a current priority.

     

    It should, as the program would be useless if you do not fix it.

     

    That said, I  must say that now I have less problems when I export files in tiff and Prophoto form LR and PS and retouch them in Luminar.

    The colors are now quite similar.

    I don't know it there has been some change or what, but I can do the editing in Luminar and return to PS or LR with similar results in display.

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    Kathy Hoglund

    This is absolutely a must have for Luminar on Windows to use the calibrated profile for your monitor like Lightroom and Photoshop do (and other software like OnOne).  As someone previously stated, without this, Luminar is a toy like Instagram or a Holga camera.  I bought this to use in a professional workflow and color management across all software in the workflow is an absolute must.  I would not have purchased if I knew this was a problem. 

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    Thomas Herren

    I learned from Skylum support that their priority is on the DAM, and only afterwards the color management issue (i.e. total absence of CM on Windows at all!) would be addressed. This seems quite astonishing for a company with the ambition to offer competitive products. As long as there is no CM implemented, Luminar 2018 is unusable. Even when you develop a RAW file with another converter and then process it as a TIFF (whith embedded calibrated monitor profile and colour space like sRGB or AdobeRGB) in Luminar, in the conversion to JPEG the colours come out flat and dull.

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    William Greenblatt

    I'm very frustrated. This software is unusable without the ability to see colors with the proper profiles. The people above are right. I thought this would be fixed. But, it is obviously not something your engineers consider a priority. I'd like a refund, too.

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    Barbara Martin

    I have just purchased Luminar and have looked everywhere to set colour profiles and to my horror there is no colour management! What good is a photo editor that does not use colour profiles? When is colour management to be included????

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    Rico Körner

    If luminar ignores all calibration profiles, than an calibration of the monitor can not help. If luminar get color management in the future, than calibration will help that images looks the same on all monitors, with every color managed software. Unfortunately, skylum has stated "We might add color management in the future, but we have no immediate plans." (statement in this thread)

    If this is your problem too, Ibon, than nothing can help. Skylum need to add color management first and if not .... (of course other software for professional image editing do not have this issue / bug)

    I still hope for colormanagement...

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    Adele Buttolph

    I am having the same problem.  Just bringing the file into Luminar 2018 from PS shows the image looking quite different than in PS (and LR). 

    Julia - I just followed your instructions and gave it another try, but Luminar is still showing the image as more saturated and contrasty.  This was done with the new updated version.  Do you have any other suggestions?  My monitor is calibrated and I do not have color issues between LR and PS.

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    Fernando Ariznavarreta

    I have done that.

     

    But the problem remains: what I see in luminar has completly different color that the image I see in LR, PS or other software with color management.

     

    The color in luminar are much more saturated and vivid than i PS.

     

    The image is exported from LR in 16 bit tiff format, with ProPhoto Profile.

    I have tried AdobeRGB and sRGB with similar results.

     

    I have calibrated my monitor using xrite  i1 display Pro and the OS has the correct profile.

     

    It seems that Luminar does not interpret the embeded profile correctly or it does not use the color profile of the display, I am not sure what is the problem.

     

    My Luminar 2018 version is 1.2.0 (1886)

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    Johannes Wienke

    Any progress on this one? Still waiting...

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    Denis Kotsee

    Sorry to be the guy who tells that we have to wait longer but oh well, that's me today. As you know, right now we're putting most of our efforts into bringing the Mac and Windows versions to parity in terms of tools. While of paramount importance, color management is out of the scope of those tools. We'll dedicate more time to it when we deploy all the urgent additions and fixes.

     
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    K.G. Wuensch

    @Denis, sorry but proper color management is imperative for an image editing tool, it needs to be given highest priority if it isn‘t in place yet!

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    Fernando Ariznavarreta

    It seems that now it works better, when using luminar as a plugin of PS or when opening it from LR via export as tiff (using ProPhoto profile).

    Now I don't see the great differences I was seeing when I opened the thread (even in 1.2.0 version). I don't change anything (at least not conciously).

     But differences with LR and PS are still there in Luminar

    I have installed 1.3 version right now.

    UPDATE: I have tried it and it works, but the differences are still there, with different colors and more saturated in some images.

     

    I think there has been some misunderstandings in this thread.

     

    One thing is advance color managment such as soft proofing for printing (which is desirable but we can wait on it).

     

    Another one is basic color management such us correct color space interpretation and correct display using ICC monitor profile.

    The latter is a must and if there is some issue under windows with it, it should be a priority to skylum and any other serious image processor.

    Are there any fix under the go with basic color management? Have you fixed anything under windows?

    I am not sure but it seems to be working correctly now, at least colors are not so different as they were.

     

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    Pablo Leme

    Well, I just realized this now,  when I installed it on my main PC.

    On a wide gamut monitor, the difference is much more stark than on my travel laptop.
    I join those asking if there are news on this, and I'll pile my dismay with everyone else's, at the idea that a photo retouching program wouldn't color manage and that info not being put it in the first line of its description. It is a rather crucil "detail".
    Works mostly fine for B&W (as in not so noticeable).

    I like some of the filters but I cannot justify the cost given the extra work needed to counter act the color imbalance.

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    Pablo Leme

    Thanks Denis.
    I regret that I just did so.

    I was a bit disappointing to face such a basic problem, and I did find the reply, when I asked about it by by email, a little on the "don't bother us" side: ultimately it was saying the problem was my monitor (because it is a good pro monitor I assume), saying "it works smoothly on srgb". Well yeah, so what. I don't nor do any pro printer around.
    That's a rather careless reply when someone brings up the fact that a photo software is not color managed.  Some people won't mind, but letting your costumers make an informed choice seems a pretty basic stance from a commercial stand point.
    This all reminds me of a joke about a bad doctor, when the patient arrives and says, "it hurts when i do this", the doctor just says "well, then don't do that, come on, off you go".

    I do however think that not mentioning that piece of info (srgb only)  would be, for a standard software, forgetting to mention they don't run or mac or windows.

     

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    Uwe Mobil

    Just a reminder hoping that these issues are going to be adressed and implemented.

     

    Lacking softproofing and handling individual printer-profiles is a major disadvantage in this software.

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    Fernando Ariznavarreta

    This is enough for me.

    One says that they have solved the color management and that we will see it in next revision.

    Then comes another representative and says the do not have inmiediate plans of solving this elementary bug as if you were talking about a esoteric feature.

     

    Any raw development or DCP profiles or whaterver you do about colors is completly useless if you cannot reproduce acurate colors in your monitor, your results would be like playing the russian roulette.

     

    I will abandone Luminar and seek other products that make basic things correctly.

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    Nielk Mike

    Daniel - that is a bummer. Wasn't CMS to come with the update in December? If not, please issue a refund to me because the Software is useless w/o CMS.

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    Timothy Burgess

    This software is near useless for photo editing without being Monitor Color Calibration Profile aware. 

    Amazing oversight

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    Chris Bateman

    This is pretty disappointing; I'm trying to decide whether to request a refund. It's frustrating to get the colors just right – and then they're all wrong after you save the file.

    For those with Photoshop, here's a workaround to get your exported images to look like they did while editing in Luminar:

    1. Open your Luminar-edited image in Photoshop
    2. Go to Edit > Assign Profile, and choose your default system/monitor profile
    3. You should see the image update to look like it did in Luminar
    4. Go to Edit > Convert to Profile and switch it back to sRGB (or whatever you wanted)
    5. Save!

     

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    Angela Andrieux

    Hi Franz,

    We are working on improving color management for our Windows users. It is a very high priority item for us, but will likely be addressed in updates after the initial release of the Luminar Library (Luminar 3.0).

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    Angela Andrieux

    Hi Franz,

    Luminar 2018 users will get the upgrade to Luminar 3.0 in December for free.

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    ibon zabala

    After install lumonar 3.0 color management srill don't work.
    I'm very frustrated

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    Timothy Burgess

    Don't be frustrated. The whole thing barely works, the color management is the least of the worries for Skylum here. Just tested the new version & is pretty much unusable.

    Was hoping for this to be a Lightroom alternative but has a very long way to go to being close to that.

    Here's hoping that Skylum can get some more good coders on the team to fix this stuff up

     

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